Th is Q&A contains questions about NSW fire safety inspections.
Table of Contents:
- QUESTION: Our fire provider says we must undertake a five yearly fire panel review/test. Is it a requirement or a recommendation?
- QUESTION: Our strata building had fire panel inspections twice a year, however, recently the company is conducting and charging for monthly inspections. Are monthly fire panel inspections really necessary?
- QUESTION: Should the fire contractor be checking all registered faults on the fire panel? Our committee will often leave these until the next system check.
- QUESTION: Do we have to engage a NSW Accredited Practitioner to do an annual Fire Safety inspection?
- QUESTION: We are having our annual strata fire safety inspection on a date when I won’t be available. Can I be charged a fee if I can’t be there to provide access?
- QUESTION: I’m overseas & unable to provide access for the annual fire safety inspection. Do all units have to be inspected for the certificate to be issued?
- QUESTION: After our fire safety inspection, our complex of 11 townhouses has received a Fire Order which requires work and installations for both common property and individual homes. Who pays for what?
- QUESTION: We are lot owners in a small scheme strata in NSW. How often should our fire safety inspection be done? The company who is currently performing our Fire Safety Inspections is performing them every 3 months, which seems excessive to me.
Question: Our fire provider says we must undertake a five yearly fire panel review/test. Is it a requirement or a recommendation?
I live in an older six lot apartment block. We have monthly fire alarm tests and follow the AFFS tests and reporting. Our provider says we must undertake a five yearly fire panel review/test. The fire panel was replaced five years ago by the same company. Is the five yearly test a requirement or a recommendation?
Answer: AS1851-2012; whilst the only standard for maintenance of fire systems, is listed, but not directly enforceable, by law, until February 2025.
Five yearly testing is required by AS1851-2012 – the Australian Standard for maintenance of fire protection systems. It’s an important and far more extensive test than the annual test to ensure the quality and reliable operation of the systems for the future.
The owners of a strata building are required, by law, to maintain their buildings and the systems within, so it is reasonable to make a connection that these five yearly tests must take place.
AS1851-2012; whilst the only standard for maintenance of fire systems, is listed, but not directly enforceable, by law, until February 2025.
Hence, until Feb 2025, the decision to proceed is the owners and should be decided based on the level of risk to the lives of their families and the building’s safety they are willing to accept.
Rob Broadhead
2020 Fire Protection
E: [email protected]
P: 1300 340 210
This post appears in the October 2023 edition of The NSW Strata Magazine.
Question: Our strata building had fire panel inspections twice a year, however, recently the company is conducting and charging for monthly inspections. Are monthly fire panel inspections really necessary?
Answer: Australian Standard AS1851-2012 requires all fire panels to be tested monthly.
Australian Standard AS1851-2012 requires all fire panels to be tested monthly. While AS1851 is not directly legislated in NSW, the owners are always obligated under legislation to maintain their essential services (fire systems).
AS1851 is the only code for maintenance of fire systems, so the owners would be taking a substantial risk in not following the Australian Standard related to their legislated obligations.
Also, if that’s not adequate to explain, the direct legislating of AS1851-2012 was a key component of the Fire Safety Report assembled by the NSW Govt last year.
Rob Broadhead
2020 Fire Protection
E: [email protected]
P: 1300 340 210
This post appears in Strata News #620.
Question: Should the fire contractor be checking all registered faults on the fire panel? Our committee will often leave these until the next system check.
Our strata building has a predominantly wireless fire system. When the fire panel shows a fault, the strata committee will often say “It can wait to be rectified when the fire contractor next comes out to check the system under our contract, as the cost of the call out is not warranted”. That may save money, but does that save lives?
Currently the fire panel indicates a fault in the underground garage. It is an area, due to the presence of petroleum, that should be fire safety compliant at all times.
A fault is a fault and should be attended to. Some faults may not require an out of hours call out, that’s a judgement call.
Answer: A fault is a fault and it should be looked at.
This is a difficult one because there are so many factors involved. But I would agree with the statement that ‘A fault is a fault’ and it should be looked at.
What we mostly don’t know when it comes to a fault is: how big is the fault? Is the fault one detector that has spiders or water that has run through it, or a cable disconnected? Or is the entire car park not functioning? Sometimes the strata and the fire contractor can work together to identify how big the problem is because it may be indicated on the fire panel screen. Maybe there is a battery in one detector that is low or broken. Fair call, it might be a risk management versus costs decision to leave it for the next inspection because it’s still probably going to work and there are probably other detectors within 10 metres of it that will cover off most of the risks.
But if it’s just registering as a fault and you can’t identify how big it is, I think it’s important to go and investigate. The orange light on the panel showing fault could be the entire system no longer functioning or it could be that one detector with a low battery. An investigation is very important but yes, some of it can be done over the phone If the panel on that system gives you enough information.
Rob Broadhead
2020 Fire Protection
E: [email protected]
P: 1300 340 210
This post appears in the September 2022 edition of The NSW Strata Magazine.
Question: Do we have to engage a NSW Accredited Practitioner to do an annual Fire Safety inspection?
We are a small complex of 3 residential units. Under the Fire Safety requirements, do we now have to engage a NSW Accredited Practitioner to do an annual Fire Safety inspection? The council classify us as a class 1a Building. Could you please advise?
Answer: Class 1a buildings are not required to have a Fire Safety Schedule and therefore not an Annual Fire Safety Statement.
Clause 168 of the Environmental Planning and Regulations 2000 outlines that Class 1a buildings are not required to have a Fire Safety Schedule.
If a building doesn’t have a Fire Safety Schedule, they can’t issue an Annual Fire Safety Statement.
Environmental Planning and Assessment Regulation 2000: Section 168 Fire safety schedules
Vincent Graham
Project Guides
E: [email protected]
P: 0476 233 109
This post appears in Strata News #430.
Question: We are having our annual strata fire safety inspection on a date when I won’t be available. Can I be charged a fee if I can’t be there to provide access?
We are having our annual strata fire safety inspection on a date when I won’t be available. I am the owner of the property and not a tenant.
I have been told (perhaps even read) that residents can’t be legally charged for a call-back fee. Is that so?
I will be charged $220 plus GST if I can’t allow access. I have a neighbour I could ask but our relationship is a bit not the best at the moment…
Answer: With a properly drafted by-law in place, a scheme could arguably make an owner responsible for lack of access.
With a properly drafted by-law in place, a scheme could arguably make an owner responsible where they have not provided access. This owner should ask a friend if they don’t trust a neighbour and should appreciate that it’s a difficult task to get access to units for Annual Fire Safety Services inspections.
Andrew Terrell
Bright & Duggan
E: [email protected]
P: 02 9902 7100
This post appears in Strata News #252.
Question: I’m overseas & unable to provide access for the annual fire safety inspection. Do all units have to be inspected for the certificate to be issued?
I am currently overseas & have been advised that I need to provide access to my unit for the annual fire safety inspection. My understanding was that not all units in a block (there are 36 in my block) have to be inspected for the certificate to be issued.
Is this correct? Can you please advise?
Answer: The owner should ask to make alternate arrangements, rather than argue that not all units need to be inspected.
I understand this changes depending on the council and what needs to be submitted as part of the Annual Fire Safety Services inspection. The owner should ask to make alternate arrangements, rather than argue that not all units need to be inspected.
Andrew Terrell
Bright & Duggan
E: [email protected]
P: 02 9902 7100
This post appears in Strata News #252.
Question: After our fire safety inspection, our complex of 11 townhouses has received a Fire Order which requires work and installations for both common property and individual homes. Who pays for what?
After our fire safety inspection, our complex of 11 townhouses has received a Fire Order which requires work and installations for both common property and individual homes (fire alarms).
How is the cost of all work to be divided between the properties via a special levy?
Answer: The costs of the required work would be paid for by levies, which are struck in accordance with unit entitlement.
The costs of the required work would be paid for by levies, which are struck in accordance with unit entitlement.
In this scenario, the council would be requiring the owners corporation to do the work and thus it would only make sense for the owners corporation to conduct all works, including the installation of smoke alarms within the lots.
Depending on the complexity of the work that is required, the owners corporation may use a fire engineer to review and tender the works.
Andrew Terrell
Bright & Duggan
E: [email protected]
P: 02 9902 7100
This post appears in Strata News #247.
Question: We are lot owners in a small scheme strata in NSW. How often should our fire safety inspection be done? The company who is currently performing our Fire Safety Inspections is performing them every 3 months, which seems excessive to me.
We are owners of an apartment in a small scheme strata building in NSW which has 16 units on 2 levels and is 8 years old. The company who is currently performing our Fire Safety Inspections is performing them every 3 months, which seems excessive to me.
I have tried to research online to verify the required fire safety inspection intervals and can only find reference to the required annual certificate requirements by our local council.
Can you please advise the legally required fire safety inspection intervals as I believe 4 times a year is not true.
Answer: The frequency of service inspections varies depending on the system.
The frequency of service inspections varies depending on what the fire safety measure of the system is. e.g. sprinkler systems require monthly inspections; fire doors (typically) require 6-monthly inspections.
The systems requiring servicing/testing are set out on the Fire Safety Schedule which should be on the buildings noticeboard. Frequency of testing/servicing is set out in AS1851-2012, table 1.11 and in each section for the specific fire safety system.
Andrew Renton
Fire Safety Constructions
E: [email protected]
T: 02 9945 3499
This post appears in Strata News #182.
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Jaqui says
We are a older apartment block of 6 apartments.
We have monthly fire alarm tests and follow the AFFS tests and reporting
Our provider has said we need to undertake a 5 yearly fire panel review/test,
this on a fire panel that was completely replaced 5 years ago by the same company.
Is it a requirement under law for this 5 yearly test (it’s expensive), or a recommendation?
Liza Admin says
Hi Jaqui
Rob Broadhead, 2020 Fire has responded to your question in the article above.
Peter says
Question. In Sydney, what would be a reasonable cost of a fire inspection where they enter each of the 8 units and check the hard-wired smoke detector with a backup battery, and what would the reasonable cost of them having to return when they can’t access the unit.
Would the Fire inspection company be subject to the Pisroductivity Commission to justify their fees?
Nikki Jovicic says
Hi Peter
We’ve received the following comment from Andrew Terrell, Bright & Duggan:
This question is too specific – you should get some quotes.
Ian says
Our block is 40 years old and after an inspection we have been told all our front doors have to be replaced because they have a gap of 1 cm at the bottom of the door. Is this correct. I am sure our doors complied at the time they were installed. It is a considerable cost. Are we able to put in a metal bead to raise the level of the floor? Thanks for any help.
Brian Pearce says
We live in a small complex of 7 Lots.
At our recent AGM our Strata Manager proposed a Special By Law be approved, “Additions or Amendmants to Common Property — That the Owners Corporation RESOLVE by Special Resolution to accept the proposed by-law covering all approved additions to Common Property as attached —
” This By Law refers to the following items –Air conditioners,Pergolas,Foxtel,PayTV/Satellte dishes,Batteries,Solar panels & any other additions or attachments to Common Property including but not limited to key safe boxes or Door bells. Please note: this By Law includes all existing additions to Common Property & any future additions to Common Property”
My concern is this proposal seems to create an open slather situation for any Lot owner to do as they please in their Lot in the future as well as overlooking existing unauthorised additions/attachments.
Would appreciate your comments.
Project Guides Pty Ltd says
Hi Andrew.
Quick point to make is that AS1851 is not required in NSW. So the only requirement in NSW is for an annual inspection (once a year) under the EPA Regs.
I would still recommend following AS1851 but the choice is really up to the Owners if they want this level of service.
Cathy says
Hi Andrew,
It is a requirement in NSW under the environmental planning and assessment act that each essential fire measure identified in a building be maintained. AS1851 is the Australian standard for routine maintenance of fire protection systems.
Depending on the measure, it may require maintenance on a monthly, 6 monthly or annual basis etc. Yes and annual inspection must be carried out within 3 months of completing an AFSS however an annual inspection is not all that is required.
Nigel W says
your question is “Can you please advise the legally required fire safety inspection intervals as I believe 4 times a year is not true.”
The requirements from your insurance company is usually more demanding than the legal requirements.
Also consider what your insurance company requires, some insurance companies require a monthly visit, others also require a thermal scann of all switchboards annually.
The questions asked refered to legal requirements. For a thermal scan, there isn’t any, for Fire, I believe the legal requirement is one full function test per year, but check this to be 100%, ring a fire consultant or fire engineer, not a maintenance company (two different worlds).